Tea Partyers at Debate and EACH 2012 Conservative Presidential Candidate Snubs Active Duty, In-Country Gay Soldier [81]

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By My Esoteric

The GOP Presidential Candidates at the Fox-Google Debate, 9/22/2011

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The Illogic of Senator Santorum

AT THURSDAY night's Fox New's-Google GOP 2012 Presidential candidate debate, the Tea Party and Conservative candidates hit a new low. During that debate, the candidates took a question from a now openly gay soldier in Iraq. His, Stephen Millers, question was "My question is, under one of your presidencies, do you intend to circumvent the progress that’s been made for gay and lesbian soldiers in the military?"

Senator Santorum, to whom the question was directed, had a totally illogical answer, to any thinking person that is; from his, and those who think like him, it probably made all of the sense in the world. Santorum ended up saying two things, 1) no, he wouldn't throw gays out of the military right now and 2) he would work to repeal the repeal of the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell, Don't Pursue" law (the actual name). To come to this conclusion, Santorum used the following "logic":

  1. "Sexual activity has absolutely no place in the military" (yes, he really said that, lol)
  2. "repeal of the 'don’t ask, don’t tell' was injecting social policy into the military."

  3. "What we’re doing is playing social experimentation with our military right now..."

  4. "... we would move forward in conformity with what was happening in the past, which is, that sex is not an issue"

  5. "Leave it alone, keep it to yourself, whether you are a heterosexual or a homosexual."

Almost sounds right, doesn't it, but it has a fatal flaw, the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" actually does what Senator Santorum wants, it takes sex out of the military. Prior to that, the Christian Right inserted it's moral code into the Military Code of Uniform Justice by insisting being a homosexual be illegal in the military! Now, THAT, Senator Santorum is "injecting social policy into the military!" and not what you are suggesting. (I am not picking on the Christian Right, btw, if this were an Islamic country, then I would be saying the Islamic Right, but we are not, as the Christian Right constantly remind us, this is a Christian country; the proper phrase, actually, is the Monotheistic Right.) Of course, the Christian Right didn't do this overtly, but bigotry against homosexulity is a fundemental part of their religious belief set; it always has been and, until the last ten years, has insinuated itself in all of secular American society; including the military.

I don't think the good Senator meant quite what he said regarding "sexual activity" in the military, but we know what he was trying to get across, I think; maybe; possibly.

  • His second statement is much more clear and, on its face, false logic.
  • I guess the answer to his third point, if not now, when; it will always be social experimentation for the Religious Right because they will never see homosexulity as provably a creation of God, which it is, but a choice by Man, which it is definitely not. They simply rely on the interpretation of a document written by fallible men with an agenda by fallible men with an agenda.
  • Santorum's forth statement is almost laugablly illogical, if it weren't so devastating to human dignaty - he want's to revert to bigotry in the military as a matter of federal law. Doesn't he see that making homosexuality illegal in military again IS making sex an issue?? How can any intelligent man not?

Crowd BOOs Gay Soldier Asking Question From Iraq

SORRY, THIS was going to be a really short hub, then I got on a roll with Senator Santorum. What I had started out wanting to write about was that after Stephen Hill presented his You Tube question, several members of the debate audience loudly booed; it was clearly audible. This is not surprising, given the audience.

What was surprising was the response from the panel of candidates, or rather, the lack of one. The question was directed at Senator Santorum, who did not chastise the audience for booing an American soldier serving his country in Iraq and, who did not thank the soldier for his service. In way of explanation for the former gaffe, Santorum said later that "he never heard the boos"; he must be very hard of hearing; for the latter point, well let me say, it has been a very, very long time since I haven't heard a politician thank a soldier for their service; it is like wearing the flag on your lapel, you just do it; Santorum didn't.

Worse yet, none of the other candidates took the opportunity to score points with America and correct Santorum for his oversights, not one of the other eight! To me, that speaks volumes about the lack of character of those who are aspiring to be the next leader of a country that believes in human rights for all, not just a select few.

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vjh 8 months ago

Amen!

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My Esoteric Hub Author 8 months ago

I appreciate your comments VJH, thanks for stopping by. For myself, I am not too bothered by the audience reaction, it sounds worse on audio than I think it really is and you are always going to have vocal bigots in any audience. What I listened for was the amount of crowd reaction and there, fortunately, seemed very little. For this piece, as I have said, the story is in the lack of reaction from the candidates; it speaks volumes of the depth of their philisophical and religious-based bigotry. That is who I want running my country for sure, lol.

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vjh 8 months ago

bravo, I've served with homosexual soldiers in friendly garrison and war, their sexual orientation had zero impact on job performance. Rick Santorum has no chance of obtaining the oval office and is part of the dying breed of political class that want to control social and moral behavior. By the by this is the second outlandish audience reaction from these debates.

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My Esoteric Hub Author 8 months ago

Nah, don't know much about Elizabeth Ward, but Kucihich and Sanders can stay with that part of the Democratic party that hates compromise; don't want them.

As to three or more parties, it is good in theory, and would be extremely helpful in today's political environment, in practice, it often has problems. However, we are in a unique period of time. We have a party, the Conservatives, who have a total lock on how the party votes and who want a one-party, no compromise Congress and the far-left of the Democratic party feels somewhat the same way, you end up with what we have now.

The lock of the Conservatives on the conservative vote, and the basically even-split of power, is what is unique, not their extemism. In the past, the leaders of each party in Congress, while powerful, couldn't control virtually 100% of the votes of their members; today, Boehner (except when he tries to compromise with the Dems) and McConnell have such ability while Pelosi and Reid do not. Effectively, that lack of control made for a multi-party system. Even within the Democratic party, you have three parties, the blue-dog conservative Dems, the Obama-type moderate (yes, he is a moderate) Dems, and the Pelosi, Sanders liberal Dems.

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PETER LUMETTA Level 6 Commenter 8 months ago

I didn't say I didn't want the Democrats, I just think there needs to be at least two parties and prferably 3 or more to keep them honest and competative. I would add to your list Dennis Kucinich, Bernie Sanders and Elizabeth Ward.

Peter

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My Esoteric Hub Author 8 months ago

Peter, I absolutely agree, unfortunately for you, since you didn't want the Democrats, I would want Clinton and Obama to be part of that new party, along with Colin Powell, Olympia Snowe, maybe Lamar Alexander, and Robert Gates. Hell, I could even see Jon Huntsman and Joe Biden being fringe elements, lol.

Basically, what I would want this party full of are pragmatists.

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PETER LUMETTA Level 6 Commenter 8 months ago

If this is the best the GOP has to offer then we need another party to vote for besides the democrats. Not once have they defended what is right. They all stand mute as the soldier, the dying man and the cheers for capital punishment go unchallenged by every one of them. Their lack of compassion for the people of this country should make them ineligable to run for the presidency. They are in fact immoral. Jesus would cry.

Peter

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My Esoteric Hub Author 8 months ago

I appreciate your comment HS. It wasn't so much the audience reaction, it was only a few idiots, fortunately, that got my goat, it was, as you said the candidates "spinelessness" actions for fear of losing support.

HSchneider Level 6 Commenter 8 months ago

You are right on point My Esoteric. The Republican party has become a very ugly party. They lack all tolerance with social issues and no moderation and compromise on fiscal issues. The Tea Party is fueling a lot of this but this group of candidates have no spines. Booing a military man no matter his sexual orientation is despicable. Another audience cheered executions. Whether or not one is in favor of capital punishment, cheering executions is disgusting. They also cheered withholding medical treatment of anyone without insurance. This party has become heartless and spineless. Just like their candidates.

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